Origin of the Barbarian Men

Nyr Oagorith · Post by **Nyr Oagorith** » November 19th, 2005, 8:17 pm

id brought up this topic, because of a problem with the barbarians in the north of wesnoth who are common enemies of the orcs, if i recall correctly when haldrics people first came to wesnoth they already were fairly advanced, so i created this topic to see if we could have it make sense...

they could have been there before the wesnothians came, kind of like the dunlendings of lord of the rings...

Post by **turin** » November 19th, 2005, 8:18 pm

There aren't any barbarians in the north of Wesnoth. At least not yet. What are you referring to?

Nyr Oagorith · Post by **Nyr Oagorith** » November 19th, 2005, 8:27 pm

im refering to the reference made in the wesnoth geography seciton (it said they live in the wild steppe [check the son of the black eye 1 map]), as well as the barbarian units in the grahpics forum, i forget who they were made by though.....

....and i apologize for my spelling

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » November 19th, 2005, 8:47 pm

The "all factions exist currently in the same timeset" mentality?. I mean, it's not like people have thought that before.

Nyr Oagorith · Post by **Nyr Oagorith** » November 19th, 2005, 9:13 pm

ack srry, i just had thought of this topic before i read the updated history...

...but in the geography section it said "There is no government of the Northlands. Various groups of orcs, dwarves, barbarian men and even elves populate the region." so i was mislead, to think the human contact in the northlands at the time were barbarian men, i suggest someone take that off then..

Casual User · Post by **Casual User** » November 19th, 2005, 9:17 pm

Maybe it's just that normal men live there. But being more isolated, they would be more rough and tough survivalists and without any real government.

I.E. maybe, they are normal men like in the rest of Wesnoth wo went to live in the north for a variety of reasons (outlaws come to mind).

Nyr Oagorith · Post by **Nyr Oagorith** » November 19th, 2005, 9:47 pm

they also could be survivers from when the orcs drove the humans from the northlands during the end of Haldric I's reign but i think there needs to be something about how the barbarian men (the marauders) formed in the history...

scott · Post by **scott** » November 19th, 2005, 10:04 pm

He's talking about Cobretti's barbarians. They are Northerners in that the north is a collection of various wild races and factions.

However, much like the Aragwaith people are finding out, you can't define a faction before it is defined. There needs to be an instantiation of the faction somewhere before it can accrue any kind of identity.

The barbarians you are referring to are not the marauders, but at this point there's no reason not to make it that way. This is real old school stuff. Not 2003 old school, but more like mid 2004.

Post by **Neoriceisgood** » November 19th, 2005, 10:11 pm

Anyone ever read the book "waiting for the babarians" ? This topic made me think of that.

Post by **Dave** » November 19th, 2005, 11:07 pm

turin wrote:There aren't any barbarians in the north of Wesnoth. At least not yet. What are you referring to?

Actually it has always been my intention that there are barbarians north of the Great River. There were just no good units available for them.

Of course, the Aragwaithi do look a little sophisticated to be 'barbarians'.

David

Post by **turin** » November 20th, 2005, 5:18 am

If it's barbarians you want, it makes sense to use the Marauders. The art isn't as 'done' as it could be, but it fits the need quite well.

But, uh, why do we need barbarians at all? I don't really see the point of adding them if all they will do is sit north of the Great River and act as alternatives to using Orcs as enemies.

scott · Post by **scott** » November 20th, 2005, 6:01 am

Maybe they're indigenous.

Disto · Post by **Disto** » November 20th, 2005, 1:07 pm

turin wrote:If it's barbarians you want, it makes sense to use the Marauders. The art isn't as 'done' as it could be, but it fits the need quite well.

But, uh, why do we need barbarians at all? I don't really see the point of adding them if all they will do is sit north of the Great River and act as alternatives to using Orcs as enemies.

Or they can act as allies and help you kill the orcs, or it can be three-way? I don't know, we can let the others have a nice argument.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » November 20th, 2005, 1:49 pm

scott wrote:Maybe they're indigenous.

So... is anyone open for some south/north american native action?. The trees are already done, and since they didn't use much armour, their units could as well be "cheap bastards".

scott · Post by **scott** » November 20th, 2005, 7:30 pm

I thought of that. The seafaring colonizers come from the other continent to find a group of primitive humans already living here. I didn't want to go there since the discussion never turns out nice for the US.