Portraits for Northern Rebirth

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » February 14th, 2007, 3:46 am

Thrawn wrote:@Taurus/anyone with good taste: is this a good color scheme for the main person. IMO it is, but it may appear to "elvish" or something to others.

Re: too "elvish", I would say yes. My first thought on seeing it before reading the text was, "ah, it's an elf."

Post by **Sgt. Groovy** » February 14th, 2007, 6:24 am

The hair is awfully yellow, and the orange is weird. If that's supposed to be gold decorations, then the colour is all wrong.

Post by **Taurus** » February 14th, 2007, 6:41 am

Hi Thrawn

I think the cloak and his shirt are fine. What I am not so sure about are the orange spots on his armor and his sword. Are they some sort of embroidery? Remember, he is just some simple peasant who has managed to scrounge up some weapons and armor from a bunch of dead orcs so steal bolts would be more in line.

I think what gives it the elvish appearance more then anything else is the blond hair. I can't speek for others, but speaking for myself, I tend to associate blond hair and elves in the back of my mind. Perpahs if it was more of a dirty blond/brown it would be better.

Post by **Thrawn** » February 14th, 2007, 12:26 pm

Taurus wrote:Hi Thrawn

I think the cloak and his shirt are fine. What I am not so sure about are the orange spots on his armor and his sword. Are they some sort of embroidery? Remember, he is just some simple peasant who has managed to scrounge up some weapons and armor from a bunch of dead orcs so steal bolts would be more in line.

I think what gives it the elvish appearance more then anything else is the blond hair. I can't speek for others, but speaking for myself, I tend to associate blond hair and elves in the back of my mind. Perpahs if it was more of a dirty blond/brown it would be better.

1. supposed to be brass, fitting in with armour scrounged off not so rich enemies. If all the armour was greyish, it would be very boring.

2.I can make the hair browner, but IMAO(in my aryian opinion) blond hair=heroic. Also it prevents the picture from being all different shades of brown. People should be able to tell an elf from a human, especially when he isn't in all green

Karo · Post by **Karo** » February 14th, 2007, 2:06 pm

Thrawn wrote:1. supposed to be brass, fitting in with armour scrounged off not so rich enemies. If all the armour was greyish, it would be very boring.

2.I can make the hair browner, but IMAO(in my aryian opinion) blond hair=heroic. Also it prevents the picture from being all different shades of brown. People should be able to tell an elf from a human, especially when he isn't in all green

1. Brass is not orange, but more of a yellow-brown color. Also, the monochrome coloring does not give the impression of the accents being metallic.

2. That yellow is just unnatural. The only way a person could attain that hue is to bleach very dark hair. Normal blond hair is much less saturated and more brown, ranging from platinum to a sandy color (think of wet sand as the border between blond and brown). Also, you could consider ditching the blond hair for brown hair- less heroic, more rugged.

In conclusion: reality is brown.

Post by **Taurus** » February 14th, 2007, 10:38 pm

Karo wrote:
Thrawn wrote:1. supposed to be brass, fitting in with armour scrounged off not so rich enemies. If all the armour was greyish, it would be very boring.

2.I can make the hair browner, but IMAO(in my aryian opinion) blond hair=heroic. Also it prevents the picture from being all different shades of brown. People should be able to tell an elf from a human, especially when he isn't in all green
1. Brass is not orange, but more of a yellow-brown color. Also, the monochrome coloring does not give the impression of the accents being metallic.

The coloring on this picture is still a work in proress so go easy. If the accents are brass then I think it's ok. I just wanted to conform that they wern't gold or anything.

2. That yellow is just unnatural. The only way a person could attain that hue is to bleach very dark hair. Normal blond hair is much less saturated and more brown, ranging from platinum to a sandy color (think of wet sand as the border between blond and brown). Also, you could consider ditching the blond hair for brown hair- less heroic, more rugged.

In conclusion: reality is brown.

I am not so concerned about reality, as this is a fantasy game. If the hair was purpple but looked good I would be all for it. I aggree that blond looks heroic, but perhaps it should be a shade darker. Here is the current Tallin I have - I think his hair color is about right.

Karo · Post by **Karo** » February 14th, 2007, 11:58 pm

I know it's a work in progress, and I know I sounded really harsh, even if I didn't mean to be that acerbic.

I assume the reason for the new portraits is to have a complete set in the same style for the key characters?

Post by **Taurus** » February 15th, 2007, 3:51 am

The reason for the new portraits is that my old ones are not Wesnoth original. I have permission from the artist to use them and all, but they were still created for other projects. They worked great for getting the campaign going, but if this campaign ever goes mainline, they will have to go. Anyhow, not that I am concerned about the mainline aspect of it so much, but I think all of you aggree on the importance of having original artwork.

Post by **Thrawn** » February 15th, 2007, 4:22 am

Taurus wrote:The reason for the new portraits is that my old ones are not Wesnoth original. I have permission from the artist to use them and all, but they were still created for other projects. They worked great for getting the campaign going, but if this campaign ever goes mainline, they will have to go. Anyhow, not that I am concerned about the mainline aspect of it so much, but I think all of you agree on the importance of having original artwork.

would you mind if I have to end up cell shading, rather than painting it? ( unless Jet starts doing them again, in which case it's a moot point

Post by **Taurus** » February 15th, 2007, 9:30 pm

Thrawn wrote: would you mind if I have to end up cell shading, rather than painting it? ( unless Jet starts doing them again, in which case it's a moot point

Cell shading, you mean like the original coloring job Battlesquid did on Hamel? I would prefer to have all the portratis done in the same style, but since you are going to be the one doing the actual work, I'll leave it up to you. My long term goal however would be to have all the portraits painted...

-> What i might be working on · Post by **Eleazar** » April 14th, 2007, 2:27 am

I started doing Tallin, but then i realized it was going to be a pain to try to match the style.
Here's as far as i got, for what it's worth.

Post by **Jetrel** » April 14th, 2007, 7:09 pm

Taurus wrote:
Karo wrote: 2. That yellow is just unnatural. The only way a person could attain that hue is to bleach very dark hair. Normal blond hair is much less saturated and more brown, ranging from platinum to a sandy color (think of wet sand as the border between blond and brown). Also, you could consider ditching the blond hair for brown hair- less heroic, more rugged.

In conclusion: reality is brown.
I am not so concerned about reality, as this is a fantasy game. If the hair was purpple but looked good I would be all for it. I aggree that blond looks heroic, but perhaps it should be a shade darker. Here is the current Tallin I have - I think his hair color is about right.

I'm only posting this to illustrate a point (e.g. I do intend to color Xander's picture). Karo and Sgt. Groovy (and indirectly, Eleazar) are absolutely right - the person who originally made that picture needs to learn a thing or two about human hair colors. That yellow is ... absurd.

This is what a more correct "blonde" would look like:

Post by **Taurus** » April 17th, 2007, 2:06 am

Eleazar wrote:I started doing Tallin, but then i realized it was going to be a pain to try to match the style.
Here's as far as i got, for what it's worth.

Thanks Eleazar

It is better then what I have now in any case (the uncolored black and white), so I'll use it until Jetryl is finished.

Post by **vonHalenbach** » April 17th, 2007, 3:21 pm

I have changed Sisal a bit, because there was this issue with the short arm and some others disliked the opening in her trousers, which got down to the crotch.

I also changed a bit with her breasts, because they seemed differnt cupsizes before, which annoiyed me.

How do you find it?

EDIT: I have made the handle of the sword a bit longer, because it should be a twohanded-broadsword. uploaded the new version.

Post by **Jetrel** » April 17th, 2007, 6:29 pm

vonHalenbach wrote:I have changed Sisal a bit, because there was this issue with the short arm and some others disliked the opening in her trousers, which got down to the crotch.

I also changed a bit with her breasts, because they seemed differnt cupsizes before, which annoiyed me.

How do you find it?

EDIT: I have made the handle of the sword a bit longer, because it should be a twohanded-broadsword. uploaded the new version.

Thanks for the help, but I don't think we'll be using that.