Grand Knight/Heavy Knight proposal

Post by **quartex** » March 15th, 2004, 6:13 am

Huh. I'd never seen that design of helmet before. I don't think the visor works very well, I thought it was his face, but was confused as to why it looked so odd. It's just that a yellow cross looks a lot like a face when the image is so small, perhaps a black cross for the visor might be easier to differentiate on such a small image.

cobretti · Post by **cobretti** » March 15th, 2004, 11:33 am

Good image, indeed. But I had something quite different in mind, which makes me ask:

May I continue trying to develop my image, or should I point to other units and make some undone graphics?

Post by **fmunoz** » March 15th, 2004, 3:33 pm

You are free to develop the image, a tried a scale horse barding too but it looked bad so I changed it for a cloth barding. IF you can imporve my image or got a better image we'll use yours

But you should know that for a new unit to be included it should have all images done...

Eponymous-Archon · Post by **Eponymous-Archon** » March 15th, 2004, 3:40 pm

I agree that the helmet protuberances don't look quite right (that model is a bit fantastic, isn't it?). Almost bunny-like actually.

Perhaps the original could have its armor be made more metallic looking and we can see how that compares? That would make better sense for the Heavy Knight (to have an armored horse), no?

telex4 · Post by **telex4** » March 15th, 2004, 3:54 pm

Eponymous-Archon wrote: Perhaps the original could have its armor be made more metallic looking and we can see how that compares? That would make better sense for the Heavy Knight (to have an armored horse), no?

Agreed. Perhaps fmunoz's latest knight image could replace the Paladin, as it does look fantastic, but not very heavy!

Post by **turin** » March 15th, 2004, 4:36 pm

telex4 wrote:
Eponymous-Archon wrote: Perhaps the original could have its armor be made more metallic looking and we can see how that compares? That would make better sense for the Heavy Knight (to have an armored horse), no?
Agreed. Perhaps fmunoz's latest knight image could replace the Paladin, as it does look fantastic, but not very heavy!

I don't see why this is not heavy. You can't get much heavier, because the horse would get weighed down by all the armor, i think.

Eponymous-Archon · Post by **Eponymous-Archon** » March 15th, 2004, 7:09 pm

turin wrote:
telex4 wrote: Agreed. Perhaps fmunoz's latest knight image could replace the Paladin, as it does look fantastic, but not very heavy!
I don't see why this is not heavy. You can't get much heavier, because the horse would get weighed down by all the armor, i think.

Not quite sure I understand your comment. Should the horse not be armored?

Post by **turin** » March 15th, 2004, 7:57 pm

My point is that a horse cannot become all that heavily armored. Also, none of the other horses have any armor. The cloth does a lot to distinguish it, and i do not think that it could be made to look more armored without looking less impressive.

Woodwizzle · Post by **Woodwizzle** » March 15th, 2004, 8:09 pm

I think the helmet looks great exceot the tips of the horns because its not very obvious what they are. Maybe if they were taller you'd have more pixels to work with to make 'em look better. As for the horse's armor, can it at least have an armored faceplate?

Post by **turin** » March 15th, 2004, 10:21 pm

fmunoz wrote:IMHO it should use warhammer and lance

If the warhammer is impact, this will also be very effective against undead, probably making paladins much less disirable.

Post by **Dave** » March 15th, 2004, 10:25 pm

turin wrote:
fmunoz wrote:IMHO it should use warhammer and lance
If the warhammer is impact, this will also be very effective against undead, probably making paladins much less disirable.

Consider that undead foot units have -10% resistance against impact, with skeletons having -20% resistance, while all undead units have -100% resistance against the Paladin's holy attack.

Still, it is a good point.

David

telex4 · Post by **telex4** » March 16th, 2004, 1:38 am

turin wrote:My point is that a horse cannot become all that heavily armored. Also, none of the other horses have any armor. The cloth does a lot to distinguish it, and i do not think that it could be made to look more armored without looking less impressive.

But horses were frequently armoured, at least with a thin sheet of mail and often with some plating. It seems in the spirit of a knight that is slow and extremely tough that the horse would have some armour.

Post by **turin** » March 16th, 2004, 2:01 am

my point is the horse already looks impressive, and i do not think adding metal armor will make it look better.

it feels like i have said this several times...maybe i do not get my point across clearly enough.

Eponymous-Archon · Post by **Eponymous-Archon** » March 16th, 2004, 2:07 am

telex4 wrote:But horses were frequently armoured, at least with a thin sheet of mail and often with some plating. It seems in the spirit of a knight that is slow and extremely tough that the horse would have some armour.

Indeed, and this is a nice way to distinguish this unit, especially if it does become/remain the "Heavy Knight."

Christophe33 · Post by **Christophe33** » March 16th, 2004, 7:28 pm

fnmoz helmet reminds me of the Teutonic knights founds in some cartoons. I think the heavy knight should not have a lance as primary weapon (I mean for the drawing of the unit) to make it more disinct from the Paladin (or the Paladin could be the only wielding sword). A mace, warhammer or flail would look great. Also some more color contrast, like a red cape, or a colorfull shield.